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Sunday, May 6, 2007

The Magic Hand


Recently, this term of “Magic Hands” is heard really often… I wonder why is it so often heard these days? “Magic Hand” or “Operator” has been there since the beginning of stock market and has been continuing since then. So, why now? Is it because it is like some fashion that has been popularized by some model? Hmm…. Maybe, or I guess might be because of a few reasons; 1) Timing 2) Easy to accept.

Timing:
Why do I say it is timing? One, it is believed that the upcoming and ongoing elections have its effect… It is believed that the government is behind and supporting the KLCI.
Two, recent price movements of KLCI. It is believed that the massive price movements recently is due to the supposed to come corrections are supported by the “Magic Hand” or the government. How true is this? I don’t know… But I will give my views later.

Easy to accept:
Why do I say it is easy to accept? It is because we have been in a community where we believe that the stock market is like a gambling place and it is controlled by the “Big Boys”, so small potatoes like most of the people only go to gamble their luck. With this mentality in mind, of course people will subscribe to the believe that the “Magic Hand” controls all the movement of the market.

My views:
Now, I will give you my opinion, but of course just my comment. I’m not saying I am definitely right. But maybe just for reference. As I have said, I fully believe that the so called “Magic Hand” or “Operator’ exists, but they have been here all these while, so there is nothing new about it and we need not get too paranoid with it. Very often these days when the KLCI goes up, we hear people saying the “Magic Hand” is doing its work, the KLCI goes down a bit, we hear people saying “Magic Hand” tired. But I believe the right thing and the right perception should be the same as before, the KLCI is up because buyers are buying and it goes down because the sellers are overwhelming the buyers. Isn't this the correct approach towards the stock market? An even more interesting phenomenon is that whenever the KLCI shoots up at the end of the day’s trading session, people will say it is the work of the “Magic Hand”. Well, maybe it is, but it is also very common for heavy buying at the end of the day. This can be read in “Trading For A living” by Dr. Alexander Elder.

The question now is, why are we so fascinated by this “Magic Hand”? Maybe it is because by believing that the movement of price is all controlled and fully manipulated, we need not learn anymore, because no matter how we learn, the price is beyond our understanding because they are controlled by something else. But HELLO! Since the work of operators are here all these while, and if you really put the effort into learning Technical Analysis (TA) properly, you would understand that the work of these so called “Magic Hand” is all written in the charts as any abnormal price movements will be plotted down as charts. Of course you can argue by saying that they will manipulate the charts to trick those TA believers. This is true, which is why we have a thing called cut loss in TA as a countermeasure.

We need to set our mentalities right to survive in the stock market. One, please wake up! Almost 95% of us are not stock operators and we would not get any information into how they work and how they plan to work. Thus we should not go into speculating. And we need not care about how they manipulate the price. Since we are here to make money, why don’t we concentrate on how to use their activity to make money? In order to do this, there is no such thing as a short cut. You will have to LEARN and READ. As I have mentioned, people take shortcuts by believing in “Magic Hand” because they would like to believe there is nothing they can do to predict their actions. So please, think again. TA may not be able to predict their actions, but they are are most accurate method to track their action that is readily available to the public (Who Are Willing To Learn).

It is always true that government tries their best to prevent their people from being too superstitious and believing only in the supernatural because this will stop the people from exploring into other means like science. Which means the country will not be developing. There is nothing wrong to ponder about their existence, but lets not get too carried away.

I know this piece of posting will offend a lot of people, but please… All I want is to give a wake up call to the readers. And it is to the benefit of the readers, not mine. So please do take some time to ponder over this. We are not operators, and we cannot see things through their perspective. All we can is to try to move along with their actions and effects through a method called Technical Analysis. Please do pick up a good TA book and read it To Understand. Please don’t just read to finish, get into the basis of how the method is derived. Please…. I do not want to see my dear friends to succumb into the mystic world and forget that they are living in a real world of science and art any analysis…

12 comments:

Trader Max said...

Bravo. Good job, RL.
My opinion is the same as yours. It is easy to blame the movements due to "magic hands" and even easier to subscribe that we don't need to learn anything.
I would still suggest the same thing over and over again:
1) Learn
2) Analyse
3) Backtest
4) Foreward Test
5) Trade
6) Post Mortem and if need be, back to (1).
Through my experiences, there is no shortcut. If there is, none would be poor.

swifz said...

No such thing as magic hand. You think that the government is using the money from Petronas to support the market? The market is too big for anyone to control.

The market is going up bit by bit because the seller are reluctant to sell aggressively. This allows last minute buying to push up the market.

RL said...

Maxforce,
Thank you for your comment. I do hope that this can be a wake up call for them... hehe...

Swifz,
Hi, thanks for the comment. Well, i really don't know if the goverment is behind this as only the goverment knows. i only believe that nothing is impossible...
But i really do agree with your point that sellers are reluctant to sell aggressively because i believe recent price movements have flushed out weak holders and gamblers. i hope your point will be passed across to those that believe totally in that.. hehe...

Unknown said...

Their Standard reply - "You buy, sell or hold at your own risk absolutely."
Then the say "Never blame others for your own action."

I still caution everyone

BEWARE _ BE CAREFUL _ YOU MAY THINK THE INFORMATION HERE IS INFORMATIVE AND CAN MAKE YOU MONEY _ DON'T.

MANY SUCH BLOGS HAVE MADE PEOPLE POORER>
MAXFORCE - AND BURSAMASTER - THE SAME. READ THEIR CALLS IN BURSAMASTER's BLOG.

THEY CALL FOR A BUY AFTER THEY HAVE BOUGHT SO THAT YOU CAN HELP TO PUSH UP THE PRICE FOR THEM> THEY HARDLY EVER TELL YOU WHEN TO SELL UNLESS THEY WANT YOU TO SELL BACK TO THEM AT LOW PRICES > DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WHILE YOU ARE BUYING THEY ARE SELLING> AFTER THAT WHEN PRICE COMES DOWN< THEY SAID MARKET CORRECTION-HEALTHY OR "OPERATOR" COLLECTING AND THE PUSH WILL COME SOON>

TYPICAL TRICKS.


SO BE CAREFUL BE WARY OF MAXFORCE

Unknown said...

Their Standard reply - "You buy, sell or hold at your own risk absolutely."
Then the say "Never blame others for your own action."

I still caution everyone

BEWARE _ BE CAREFUL _ YOU MAY THINK THE INFORMATION HERE IS INFORMATIVE AND CAN MAKE YOU MONEY _ DON'T.

MANY SUCH BLOGS HAVE MADE PEOPLE POORER>
MAXFORCE - AND BURSAMASTER - THE SAME. READ THEIR CALLS IN BURSAMASTER's BLOG.

THEY CALL FOR A BUY AFTER THEY HAVE BOUGHT SO THAT YOU CAN HELP TO PUSH UP THE PRICE FOR THEM> THEY HARDLY EVER TELL YOU WHEN TO SELL UNLESS THEY WANT YOU TO SELL BACK TO THEM AT LOW PRICES > DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WHILE YOU ARE BUYING THEY ARE SELLING> AFTER THAT WHEN PRICE COMES DOWN< THEY SAID MARKET CORRECTION-HEALTHY OR "OPERATOR" COLLECTING AND THE PUSH WILL COME SOON>

TYPICAL TRICKS.


SO BE CAREFUL BE WARY OF MAXFORCE

Unknown said...

Their Standard reply - "You buy, sell or hold at your own risk absolutely."
Then the say "Never blame others for your own action."

I still caution everyone

BEWARE _ BE CAREFUL _ YOU MAY THINK THE INFORMATION HERE IS INFORMATIVE AND CAN MAKE YOU MONEY _ DON'T.

MANY SUCH BLOGS HAVE MADE PEOPLE POORER>
MAXFORCE - AND BURSAMASTER - THE SAME. READ THEIR CALLS IN BURSAMASTER's BLOG.

THEY CALL FOR A BUY AFTER THEY HAVE BOUGHT SO THAT YOU CAN HELP TO PUSH UP THE PRICE FOR THEM> THEY HARDLY EVER TELL YOU WHEN TO SELL UNLESS THEY WANT YOU TO SELL BACK TO THEM AT LOW PRICES > DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WHILE YOU ARE BUYING THEY ARE SELLING> AFTER THAT WHEN PRICE COMES DOWN< THEY SAID MARKET CORRECTION-HEALTHY OR "OPERATOR" COLLECTING AND THE PUSH WILL COME SOON>

TYPICAL TRICKS.


SO BE CAREFUL BE WARY OF MAXFORCE

Unknown said...

Their Standard reply - "You buy, sell or hold at your own risk absolutely."
Then the say "Never blame others for your own action."

I still caution everyone

BEWARE _ BE CAREFUL _ YOU MAY THINK THE INFORMATION HERE IS INFORMATIVE AND CAN MAKE YOU MONEY _ DON'T.

MANY SUCH BLOGS HAVE MADE PEOPLE POORER>
MAXFORCE - AND BURSAMASTER - THE SAME. READ THEIR CALLS IN BURSAMASTER's BLOG.

THEY CALL FOR A BUY AFTER THEY HAVE BOUGHT SO THAT YOU CAN HELP TO PUSH UP THE PRICE FOR THEM> THEY HARDLY EVER TELL YOU WHEN TO SELL UNLESS THEY WANT YOU TO SELL BACK TO THEM AT LOW PRICES > DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WHILE YOU ARE BUYING THEY ARE SELLING> AFTER THAT WHEN PRICE COMES DOWN< THEY SAID MARKET CORRECTION-HEALTHY OR "OPERATOR" COLLECTING AND THE PUSH WILL COME SOON>

TYPICAL TRICKS.


SO BE CAREFUL BE WARY OF MAXFORCE

Unknown said...

Their Standard reply - "You buy, sell or hold at your own risk absolutely."
Then the say "Never blame others for your own action."

I still caution everyone

BEWARE _ BE CAREFUL _ YOU MAY THINK THE INFORMATION HERE IS INFORMATIVE AND CAN MAKE YOU MONEY _ DON'T.

MANY SUCH BLOGS HAVE MADE PEOPLE POORER>
MAXFORCE - AND BURSAMASTER - THE SAME. READ THEIR CALLS IN BURSAMASTER's BLOG.

THEY CALL FOR A BUY AFTER THEY HAVE BOUGHT SO THAT YOU CAN HELP TO PUSH UP THE PRICE FOR THEM> THEY HARDLY EVER TELL YOU WHEN TO SELL UNLESS THEY WANT YOU TO SELL BACK TO THEM AT LOW PRICES > DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WHILE YOU ARE BUYING THEY ARE SELLING> AFTER THAT WHEN PRICE COMES DOWN< THEY SAID MARKET CORRECTION-HEALTHY OR "OPERATOR" COLLECTING AND THE PUSH WILL COME SOON>

TYPICAL TRICKS.


SO BE CAREFUL BE WARY OF MAXFORCE

RL said...

Dear Kenneth, thanks for visiting, i would welcome you as a reader, but if you have things to settle with Max, please dont use my blog... cos you will not get Max in any way, you will only disturb me and the readers here which had never commented anything bad about you...

anyway, i do agree with you when you say that blogs do not make money for people... all i want is to share comments and thoughts and the readers are supposed to do their own research and analysis... only by one's own analysis, they can earn money... hehe...

Btw, everyone is welcome to question the posts here... that should be the right way to learn.. i'm not here to teach... i'm not good enough to do that... i just want to share my thoughts... hehe...

And you are welcomed too... but please make it constructive rather than a place to take revenge ya.. hehe.... Regards...

Unknown said...

READ THE A GOOD ARTICLE I TOEBEAR'S BLOG AND I POSTED IT BELOW AND FOLLOWED WITH MY CAL TO WITHDARW ALL MONIES FROM MAYBAN, CUT THEIR CREDITS AND MOVE OUT FACILITIES TO OTHER BANK (OTHER THAN AMBANK)

"Wednesday, May 9, 2007
Maybank or Bumibank?

Again, Malaysia went 'famous' just because it's largest bank(however you wanna call it) declared that it now require all that law firms must have a 'bumiputra' partner with at least a 50% stake before they could do any business with the bank. Discrimination, arrogant and ungrateful are the words that I have for this bank.

I thought all these while the people have been thought to spend more effort in building self competency and companies to work hard in order to complete globally?...Capability, integrity, efficiency and merit if you ask me are the main criterias to consider when I want to do business with someone and surely not the race. Most of us are Malaysians, born and live here since independance....living peacefully in a multiracial country is something we're proud of...at least today we are.

Then all the sudden came a bank who without thinking implemented such rigid and ridiculous rule in the midst of the Gov's effort to build unity in the Malaysian people... even simple civilians who never had a chance to be educated knows how important it is for someone with a high place in the community to think before he says anything. For words spoken are hard to be taken back... it reveals the intention and the perception of that person.

Having said that, now I'm pretty sure we now know this bank's view on the people of this country.In short, if Maybank thinks that it's so darn big and powerful that is does not need contribution/business from other races in this country apart from 'bumiputra'. I say, go ahead and implement it....

I bet that when all the non-'bumiputras' withdraw their commitment with this bank...It's guaranteed that this arrogant bank will move from being the largest bank to the smallest(only if it's able to survive) in a relatively short time.Now to the 'ingenious' management of this bank who came out with that foolish decision, please use your head and think before you implement anything in future.

There's a saying, "There is pride before downfall". God gives us a head to think and not for fun! For if you don't need them, you won't have them."



THIS IS THE BEST POSTING I EVER READ READ FOR A LONG TIME.

TIME TO TEACH BIG AND ARROGANT MAYBAN A LESSON. FORCE THEM DOWN TO THEIR KNEES FORCE THEM TO BEG FOR FORGIVENESS
LET MAKES AN EXAMPLE OUT OF MAYBAN SO THAT OTHER BANKS (LIKE AMBANK)AND OTHER CORPORATIONS WILL IMMEDIATELY SCRAP ALL THEIR DISCRIMINATIVE POLICIES.

LETS ALL THE RIGHT THINKING AND FAIR MALAYSIAN WHICH FORM THE MAJORITY OF MALAYSIAN MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORTS TO UNITE AND WITHDRAW OUR SUPPORT FOR MAYBAN. LETS US WITHDRAW OUR MONIES FROM THIS ARROGANT BANKS. IF WE HAVE MAYBAN CREDIT CARDS - DO CUT THEM INTO TWO AND SEND THEM BACK TO MAYBAN. IF WE HAVE FACILITIES FROM MAYBAN - SERIOUSLY THINK OF MOVING IT TO OTHER BANKS (BUT NOT AMBANK UNLESS THEY ALSO DROPS THEIR DISCRIMINATIVE POLICY).
LET US SUPPORT ANY BANK WHICH TREAT ALL MALAYSIA EQUALLY.

LET BRING MAYBAN TO ITS KNEE - WE WANT MAYBAN TO PUBLICLY APOLOGISE TO ALL MALAYSIAN FOR HAVING DISCRIMINATIVE POLICIES AND GIVE A PUBLIC COMMITMENT THAT THEY WILL NEVER HAVE ANY DISCRIMINATIVE POLICY ANY MORE.

DO IT NOW - AND LATEST BEFORE THE END OF MAY. WE WANT IT TO SHOW IN MAYBAN'S NEXT QUARTER RESULTS.


LETS US ALSO STOPP SUPPORTING MAYBAN SHARES. SELL ALL YUOUR MAYBAN SHARES IF HAVE THEM. IF NOT, DO NOT BUY ANY MAYBAN SHARES. LET IS DROP LIKE FLIES!!!!!!!


TOGETHER WE UNITE TO RISE AGAINST AND DEFEAT ALL EVILS!!!!

RL said...

haha.. Thanks Kenneth for the post.. actually, i was also shocked when i heard it over the news... i really think it is a very silly thing to do... Luckily our government denied any responsibility and denied tat it is the policy of the government... the thing tat i dont understand is, why suddenly make such a weird policy? obviously they should know tat such a policy will bring nothing but objections and trouble... Hmm... funny...

Unknown said...

Hi,

I think all bloggers who are patriotic Malaysian should highlight the discrminative policy of Mayban (and AmBank).

Maybe all right thinking Malaysian should be asked to seriously consider whether they want to continue banking with such a Bank.
Should we not make out voices heard loud and clear. Should we not seriously consider withdrawing all our monies from Mayban (and AmBank), cut their credit cards into two and returned to them, turn down all their offer of banking facilities and switch our banking facilities to banks which do not practise discriminative policies? Should we not deliver this strong message to Mayban (and AmBank) in such a loud voice to be heard also by others who are practising or intend to practise discriminative policies - so they will stop such disgusting policies?

Think about it and let all of us who belong to the group of right thinking Malaysian highlight and create an action group to fight discriminative policies being practice by any parties.

Consider pls!!!!!